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Review of chapter "The Diplomacy of Generosity" from wayneenz
Review:
Really enjoying it. I haven't seen Star Wars in some time, but I seem to recall a shot of a Star Destroyer entering the Death Star. Are there any aboard?
Comments from author:
You should have paid more attention, friend. No Death Star-class station was ever made to dock and service Fleet capital ships. What you saw was more than likely Anakin's command vessel, the EXECUTOR, crashing into the surface of the Death Star.

That's not to say, however, that the designs and specifications for every vessel class in the Imperial Starfleet aren't to be found in the Vigilant Watcher's central database, as well as some Republic and Rebel designs. We've got the beginnings of a bona fide Terran Starfleet right here! Just as soon as, you know, somebody like the Ancients or the Asgard discover hypermatter...
Review By [wayneenz] • Date [29 Jul 14] • Not Rated
Review of chapter "The Diplomacy of Generosity" from Traveler
Review:
I was impressed with the extensive reviews and responses made earlier. I, however, just wish to thank you for continuing a story I enjoy reading. In the forty years since I last went to college my reading has mostly been for pleasure, such as this story and the other Ship of the Line stories. Again thanks for sharing with the readers and hope to see more soon.
Comments from author:
You are most welcome, true believer!
Review By [Traveler] • Date [29 Jul 14] • Rating [10 out of 10]
Review of chapter "Prologue - Doomsday" from fanreaderonetwo
Review:
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"True that the Death Star can house a huge population, to start with IIRC its _crew_ was in the 100,000+ range, and presumably quarters for huge numbers of troops stationed aboard or carried.
OTOH much of its colossal volume is filled with its structure, drive engines, power plants, weapons, fuel, etc and is unavailable for habitation, particularly if its _pressurized_ 'open spaces' like hangar decks and shuttle bays are in use.

Then there are the huge volumes of the Death Star that are uninhabitable due to being unpressurized, unheated/cooled or exposed to dangerous radiations.

Think about the Falcon and fighters buzzing around inside the incomplete DS2 in "Jedi", I suspect that many of those huge spaces would have stayed empty if it was completed.

I suspect that if its properly crewed there wouldn't be space for more than a million or so extras without massive projects to, enclose, convert and fit out habitable spaces. And keep in mind that troop quarters might not be suitable for long term _civilian_ housing.

Think of the size of a super carrier and think of how little of it would available for extra housing _if_ the ship was sailing and maintaining and operating aircraft in its hangar deck and machine shops. Then there are the huge fuel tanks of jet fuel (assuming its a CVN, if not then it also needs fuel for its own engines), large ammo magazines, spare parts, food, etc. Big ships without a lot of surplus empty spaces........

Comments from author:

Ah, but once Xander starts releasing the isometric drawings for each of the big capital ships in the Imperial fleet service, then Earth will start increasing its capability to house more passengers and care for refugees than ever it did before the Vigilant Watcher showed up."

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What does the earthers knowing it layout do? I suspect that the ships on-board maintenance and self-repair droids could do any renovations necessary better than a bunch of people who don't know how to repair an Imperial light switch.

And if they decided to commit the resources to build off-world living spaces I suspect that it would cheaper to build "habitats" in orbit or on Luna, Mars or the asteroids than making wholesale changes to the VW. Noting that such habitats could be used to house _workers_ at those locations (and the orbital ones could be self-propelled or moveable, as work sites change, think house trailers) rather than being merely "refugee camps in the sky".

And then there are the colossal security concerns with housing huge numbers of "politically unreliable" refugees aboard the VW.

I refer you to my earlier (May) review discussing the security problems with recruiting crew (with US or allied security clearances) from the US and elsewhere. Putting masses of uncleared refugees aboard the VW makes those risks look miniscule.

How long would it be before there was sabotage or espionage or there were riots or coup attempts by them or people infiltrated among them (or sent aboard to handle them). Image of a few thousand Hamas supporters trying to take over the VW or use to destroy Israel.

Image of a major uprising aboard, forcing Xander to order troops and battle droids to _bloodily_ suppress it or even open the zone they occupy to vacuum, killing everyone in it. Great PR......
Comments from author:
Again, you raise a valid point. It had honestly not crossed my mind to add orbital habitation modules to the list of things that will occupy the mind of our new favorite Grand Moff.

I'll just have to find a way for it to "occur" to Xander in a later chapter, perhaps as one of those bits of knowledge that will come to him when he needs it.
Review By [fanreaderonetwo] • Date [29 Jul 14] • Not Rated
Review of chapter "The Diplomacy of Generosity" from RoyalTwinFangs
Review:
Well this is nice. Why not have currency like electronic credits instead of hard currency? It is much easier to carry around. Well they sell weapons too?
Comments from author:
You could ask those same questions about our own economic troubles, and I'd give you the same answer. Electronic money is the same as paper money that's not backed by some sort of precious commodity -- it's worthless without that.

As for weapons sales...that's a tricky question to answer. I'll have to think about it and get back to you in the form of another chapter. Suffice it for now to say that you wouldn't want Mexican drug cartels or radical Islamists to get their hands on Blastech E-11s or thermal detonators.
Review By [RoyalTwinFangs] • Date [29 Jul 14] • Not Rated
Review of chapter "The Diplomacy of Generosity" from Harry
Review:
Well, Xander spotted Kinsey's attempt at a trap and SPRUNG IT! Kinsey has been out maneuvered and isolated. at least for now. What Xander offered, in the way of trade with the world, sounds good. The idea of Xander and Willow moving up to the station is good. With the trouble that these two have had in their lives, the alcoholic abuse of Tony Harris and Tony's abusing Xander in those drunken rages, as well as Willow being a psychological experiment for her parents, are good reasons for them to move out. Time will tell if Xander's plan for the station will truly pan out or not.
Comments from author:
Well, you don't want to just toss someone as powerful and influential as a US Senator out of an airlock. As I indicated in previous commentary, the way to stop a slimy-ass Senator is to have him censured by both houses of congress, and that would pretty much guarantee a quick death to his political career.
Review By [Harry] • Date [29 Jul 14] • Rating [10 out of 10]
Review of chapter "Prologue - Doomsday" from fanreaderonetwo
Review:
I'm puzzled as to why Xander and maybe Willow is so concerned about getting legally separated from his and her parents. He has already told a US Senator to piss off, and plans to tell the US to piss if necessary. Its not like he has to worry about Child Services dragging him off the VW.

Joyce is already aboard, so Buffy is in the clear. Willow is nearly ready to leave her parents and I suspect that Cordy and most of the rest would leave Sunnydale behind without a second thought.


Since the Imperial language is English, and there are droid and computer translators for OMG different humanoid and alien languages I doubt it would be a big a deal it would be to translate its written form. Think about having a droid like C3PO translate the labels and write a primer.
Comments from author:
He's trying to petition for sovereignty for the Vigilant Watcher so that nations that would bully the rest of the world into submission, such as China, North Korea, the United States and others, do not get their hands on WMDs like the Death Star. As for moving to the Watcher, Xander and Willow weren't planning on renouncing their American citizenship, but establishing commerce with the other nations of the world, having first demonstrated the benevolent nature of the station's crew and populace, would go a long way towards securing that protection, while establishing a multinational security presence aboard would take that protection one step further.

I'm thinking the Mayor first will have to be dealt with, using clear and concise language, before the rest of Sunnydale's populace can be freed from Sunnydale Syndrome and decide for themselves whether they wish to pull up stakes and flee the town. Starving the Hellmouth does go against the very reason the town was established to begin with, so Wilkins would necessarily be opposed to any such plans to put distance between the townspeople and the Hellmouth.

And Xander's difficulties with Aurebesh, or the lack thereof, notwithstanding, his goal is not to make it easier for him, but for others to make the transition towards life on the battle station easier, thus the desire to alter the default font of the central operating system. Xander and Teal'C could both read Aurebesh rather well before the Halloween event, so either of them would only need to run something by one of the protocol droids to put the finishing touches on it.
Review By [fanreaderonetwo] • Date [29 Jul 14] • Not Rated
Review of chapter "The Diplomacy of Generosity" from fanreaderonetwo
Review:
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"Nice story so far. One observation I feel needs to be made: the Death Star can house a huge population. (The Moon's surface area is about 38 million sq km; let's say the Death Star is much smaller, at 100,000 sq km. With a population density like Austria, of 100 people / sq km, that gives you 10 million people. However, people don't live on the surface - they live inside. With only 100 levels - about the same as the Empire State Building - that means a billion people, and I've been quite conservative in all these figures.)"

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True that the Death Star can house a huge population, to start with IIRC its _crew_ was in the 100,000+ range, and presumably quarters for huge numbers of troops stationed aboard or carried.
OTOH much of its colossal volume is filled with its structure, drive engines, power plants, weapons, fuel, etc and is unavailable for habitation, particularly if its _pressurized_ 'open spaces' like hangar decks and shuttle bays are in use.

Then there are the huge volumes of the Death Star that are uninhabitable due to being unpressurized, unheated/cooled or exposed to dangerous radiations.

Think about the Falcon and fighters buzzing around inside the incomplete DS2 in "Jedi", I suspect that many of those huge spaces would have stayed empty if it was completed.

I suspect that if its properly crewed there wouldn't be space for more than a million or so extras without massive projects to, enclose, convert and fit out habitable spaces. And keep in mind that troop quarters might not be suitable for long term _civilian_ housing.

Think of the size of a super carrier and think of how little of it would available for extra housing _if_ the ship was sailing and maintaining and operating aircraft in its hangar deck and machine shops. Then there are the huge fuel tanks of jet fuel (assuming its a CVN, if not then it also needs fuel for its own engines), large ammo magazines, spare parts, food, etc. Big ships without a lot of surplus empty spaces........
Comments from author:
Ah, but once Xander starts releasing the isometric drawings for each of the big capital ships in the Imperial fleet service, then Earth will start increasing its capability to house more passengers and care for refugees than ever it did before the Vigilant Watcher showed up.
Review By [fanreaderonetwo] • Date [29 Jul 14] • Not Rated
Review of chapter "The Diplomacy of Generosity" from (Current Donor)KColl
Review:
Your description of Kinsey disturbingly accurate.

I still think it's a shame not more students were involved in
the Death Star. It'd be fun to see the Cordettes as
Imperial staff & others working on the Death Star.
Comments from author:
Hmm, if memory serves there's one already serving as Chief of Security already in the person of Cordelia Chase herself. Though if Daddy Dearest has anything to say about it, once Kinsey passes the word down that his darling little daughter is up on that death machine, I expect there'll be quite the row between the two.
Review By [(Current Donor)KColl] • Date [29 Jul 14] • Rating [8 out of 10]
Review of chapter "The Diplomacy of Generosity" from Marcel
Review:
Nice story so far. One observation I feel needs to be made: the Death Star can house a huge population. (The Moon's surface area is about 38 million sq km; let's say the Death Star is much smaller, at 100,000 sq km. With a population density like Austria, of 100 people / sq km, that gives you 10 million people. However, people don't live on the surface - they live inside. With only 100 levels - about the same as the Empire State Building - that means a billion people, and I've been quite conservative in all these figures.)

As long as there's a way to grow food inside, the Death Star can be quite self-supporting.
Review By [Marcel] • Date [29 Jul 14] • Rating [10 out of 10]
Review of chapter "Prologue - Doomsday" from texaswookie
Review:
Willow sends email to Kinsey's office. Picture of the Watcher with the words: Come and take it! Underneath.
Comments from author:
Molon labe. How very laconic.
Review By [texaswookie] • Date [29 Jul 14] • Not Rated
Review of chapter "The Diplomacy of Generosity" from Bluesnowman
Review:
Very good stuff.
Review By [Bluesnowman] • Date [29 Jul 14] • Not Rated
Review of chapter "Et tu, Machiavelli?" from Morgomir
Review:
Great chapter. Keep up the good work.
Review By [Morgomir] • Date [12 Jul 14] • Rating [10 out of 10]
Review of chapter "An Impossible Rescue" from (Recent Donor)Hawklan
Review:
quite the nice fic, only flaw so far is Buffy....how made being a 18th century noble
girl her able to do all the technical stuff she did?
Comments from author:
After her Slayer abilities re-asserted themselves, as at least two commenters postulated, the Slayer Essence basically enabled her to absorb the knowledge akin to osmosis, as the Death Star is primarily a weapon, albeit a weapon of mass destruction. We learn by doing; a Slayer learns, theoretically, merely by attempting.

I hope this answers your question to your satisfaction.
Review By [(Recent Donor)Hawklan] • Date [4 Jul 14] • Not Rated
Review of chapter "Et tu, Machiavelli?" from deterlanglytone
Review:
So these TIE Drones are they meant to be any thing like a prototype version of the TIE/D automated fighter from the expanded verse which do have shields but at time of the original station such a fighter would barely be in development so having no shields is very reasonable. It makes sense for such a advanced Battle-station(or Death machine) to at least have schematics for such a thing and that fits at least the spirit of the Ship of the Line Challenge.

How is the Vigilant Watcher automated, is it lots of droids or is all just run automatically(can't remember if you mentioned).

Lots of people are asking about cloning to fill most of crew, but that's kinda a silly notion when by the time A New Hope is set in the Battle droids(and a array of other droids) from the Clone Wars era would by much easier the make with the resources of earth and a Death Star class(is that a thing?) battle station, more reasonable than Spaarti cloning cylinders being an a Death Star which would need a year to make stable full grown person per cylinder.

Mind you these droids would need a certain amount of human( or sentient I'm not xenophobic) supervision, say at a rate of one human to three or four droids encase of a accident or someone taking them over( Even though Battle droids and the like (except the ones in the Phantom Menace where they are tried the mainframe of their mother-ship but after that they are all independent) I think are closed out from any outside data source and can't be hacked(So no Replicater taking them all over) which why they all have to speak into radios and why the radios actually emits sound instead of being received internally(and quietly).

A flaw in this is the cheapest(and easiest to make) combat droids the B1 battle droid has all the tactic ability of a jaffa(as in colonial ones with no cover tactics) but say the the Bx series ones would have the skills equivalent between a mook Jaffa and a standard SGC officer(better than Daniel's combat skills mind you, but they're not smart as him) would by pretty costly even with the advances gained from the Vigilant Watcher, all this could be offset by supplementing the droids with human commanders who would be in charge everything from small unit tactics full scale war tactics. You could always being in the Dark troopers(phase I to III) when the Kull appear.Super soldier vs Super Solider.

About the Watchers Council they get a much worse reputation in fanon than their canon action deserves(they are assholeish though), their biggest falling is that they have a so big of a picture that they have little if no appreciation of the small one. The reason Giles was fired by them was said to be that he had a father's love for Buffy, now that might sound nice and all but from a military standpoint they should not be working on the field with each other because he mightn't let her take risks that a normal superior would. Again their failings are in that they don't really see slayers as people but fully trained soldiers. Which most were before Buffy. And really if Buffy trained with any actually effort(being fair she didn't think she could lose her powers) she would creamed the vampire in the cruciamentum, hell Xander might have been able to win against him.(Properly wouldn't live long from injuries though but he'd win because that vampire liked to play with his food). So I doubt with the reveal of the Goa'uld that the Watcher Council will assassinate any one of the Scoobies they'd most likely help them(like with Glory, even though Buffy had left them they overcame any of that and helped, a little, the Head of the council personally came to give her info). Remember the council does have actual military personal(with guns) as seen in the Angel series and Buffy season 3 briefly so they could send some of them to help in the crew department.

I like you interpretation of Kinsley(well I use the term "like" loosely mind you) mainly because the show give the vibe that even though he believed the Goa'uld were real he shut down the program, in this he doesn't seem the believe they're reall until they show up making seem much less stupid(still stupid because who doesn't believe credited Officers and where does he think the casualties come from). And it's nice to see he's still just as unEuropean(and unAsian, unAfrica etc) as ever because pulling a Command and Conquer on the Earth is the American way(sarcasm power)

What kind of weaponry would the Prometheus(if there's any) have in this if there is none what kind you reasonable would give it from Star Wars( with its canon size but not necessary design in mind)

Will there be any modification to the Ha'taks or will they be broken down for materials and parts.

With Ion Cannons how are you going to reconcile the differences between Stargate ones(Tollan Ion Cannons) and the Star Wars ones, is it just that the Tollan's ones are so configured to Goa'uld Shields that they just overload the whole ship (And why modding the shields seemed to make them immune to the Tollan ones and resistant to Asgard ion guns) or is it just the matter of power.

Final thing I don't think Deathgliders have shields, the first vessel of around that size to have shields is the Puddle Jumper. Mind you I could be wrong it has being a while since I have watched the show.
Comments from author:
Eventually the issue with the Imperial concept vessels and warships will have to be addressed; I'm thinking that could happen sooner rather than later by an exchange of information in the initial meeting that I need to write (RL's really been kicking me in my fourth point of contact for a while), as well as what to do with the captured Jaffa and the two dead Ha'Taks (Hey! I know what...I'll sell them back to the Goa'uld with a hefty interest rate rofl...or maybe not...ruthless bastards); writing this review, I'm thinking to give one to the SGC for study and analysis, and either keep or destroy the other. The Imperial ships could be introduced a few at a time in various proof of concept models, along with giving the Earth the ability to mass produce these vehicles and technologies. I'm guessing the Prometheus could be the first US Star Destroyer to come off the line, followed by the Daedalus and the Oddysey, and then the Russian Star Destroyers Korolev and Gagarin, followed in turn by the French Star Destroyers Charles de Gaulle and Jacques Chirac, and the Japanese Star Destroyers Yamato and Toranaga and the Chinese Star Destroyers Sun Tzu and Mao Zedong and Deng Xiao-Ping. (Talk about one hell of a battle fleet; Kinsey would be shitting a brick! ROFL)
About the difference between Imperial ion cannons and Tollan ion weapons, you might have a point there. I might just use that; thank you.
Review By [deterlanglytone] • Date [25 May 14] • Rating [9 out of 10]
Review of chapter "Et tu, Machiavelli?" from (Current Donor)KColl
Review:
Huh, given both canon O'Neill and the way he was talking there,
Kinsey might not be the worse problem that Grand Moff Xander
are facing right now.

Note: Before you ask, I was singularly unimpressed the way
SGC claimed to represent the entire world while only recruiting
from one nation for much of the series.

Note 2: Actually my comment was based more on how the
US through the SGC very arrogantly took responsibility for
the Stargate Program and took all its riches\development
while putting the rest of the unknowing world at risk.

If the Goa'uld had come to Earth because of the US' actions
against them, do you think it would have just enslaved the
US and left the rest of us alone? And yet the SGC felt fit to
negotiate treaties with alien powers, exchange tech, and indulge
in wars without consulting the rest of the world, or even
using its experts - scientists, engineers that had to be
better than for example Folger.
Comments from author:
Hmm, interesting statement. Kinsey may have Machiavellian designs on the Presidency and eventually global and later galactic rulership, but he is still just a politician. He is a Senator, not Commander in Chief of the Armed Forces, so he doesn't have that kind of pull. Plus, if you recall from an earlier chapter, he doesn't exactly have the President's ear, either. So yeah, he's not quite the biggest threat to either the Stargate Program nor the Vigilant Watcher and its fledgling crew.

The bigger threats will come later, through BTVS and SG-1 canon, as well as other sources that will perforce be created as a result of this whole AU.

Now if you were thinking that Xander himself might become something of a dangerous influence by his Tarkin memories resurfacing possibly, let's consider Xander's personality for a moment. The hyena possession left something in him that allowed him to consider the female Scoobies as his pack. He's very protective of them, almost to a fault, and he will do anything to keep his girls, his pack safe. If he believes he's the potential threat, then he'll take steps to ensure he can be neutralized before it's too late, or at least mitigate the impact of said threat. Otherwise, he's too strong in both mind and spirit to allow Tarkin to subsume him completely.

No, the greatest immediate threat to the sovereignty of the Vigilant Watcher, as an individual political entity in the near future, is the vast global intelligence network. Surveillance and espionage are their bread and butter.
Review By [(Current Donor)KColl] • Date [22 May 14] • Not Rated
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